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Picked this up today- may build this right away-OOTB -just to counteract the RSO PE build :lol:

here are a couple of reviews; (I hope the writers won't mind me quoting them here )

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Dragon 88mm FlaK36 w/FlaK Artillery Crew (6260)

by Frank De Sisto

1/35th-scale injection-molded styrene plastic. Contains: 559 styrene plastic parts (including 43 for the figures), 38 etched-brass parts, three turned-brass rounds, eight turned-aluminum parts, two chains, one length of soft plastic tubing, two decal sheets and ten pages of instructions in 36 steps. Price: unavailable.

What can one say about this kit that has not already been said? We know it is light-years ahead of the 30-plus year-old Tamiya kit, simply because of the age of that “old standard”. We know it has multi-media parts, innovative use of the latest injection molding technology, display options and a fine set of figures. So, what else? Not surprisingly, there’s plenty; so, I’ll tell you.

I guess the best place to start is with the display options. The gun itself has three different means of displaying the tube’s elevation. One is in the “85-degrees” position and static. The second is in the “zero-degrees” position, also static. The third uses turned metal sleeves and tubes and is movable. The next option is the position of the cruciform legs. They can be modeled either folded-up for travel, with the leveling pads retracted, ground anchors and locks fixed in place. Or, they can be in the extended in the firing position, with the pads dropped down, ground anchors driven in and locks holding the legs in position. The gun will also swivel in azimuth a full 360-degrees. There are parts to mount the often-seen splinter shield, or it can be left off by using alternate parts. If one wishes, the fuse setting box can be shown with a shell inserted into the orifice, or a second part can be used instead with caps in place over the opening.

To all these basic items a myriad of detail parts are to be attached. These include various sighting devices, traverse wheels, linkages, elevating gear, brass chains and folding seats for the gun mount. The cruciform also receives various hooks, conduit, boxes, hand-wheels, gun travel crutch and other gear.

There are choices of either the earlier one-piece gun tube or the later RA9 sectional gun tube. Both of these options are given as either full-styrene assemblies (with rifling at the tube’s bore) or turned aluminum items that use some styrene parts for details. Each version of gun tube also includes a different breech-block and other unique parts. All can be displayed with an open breech-block that can also have a shell inserted into it. There is also another option, that of either a folded-away ramming assist bar and deleted shell tray, or an extended bar with the tray in place for use.

The Sd.Ah.202 “special trailer” sections are small models in their own right. The basic fender sections are produced from a multi-part slide mold so that all details can be properly presented. But, this means that there are several fairly discreet mold seams that must be carefully cleaned up. The axles and leaf springs assemblies are beautifully rendered and also include steering linkages. The braces, lifting gear, tools and cruciform links are all equally well-represented. The front bogie features a two-position tow bar (hitched for towing or un-hitched for firing), while the rear bogie features a brakeman’s seat and controls. There is also an option of attaching the four reels that held the cables that were used to link a FlaK battery’s guns to the central anti-aircraft fire control device.

Next, we come to the wheels and tires. These feature brake-drums and exquisitely detailed hubs. By far, the most innovative item in this kit has to be the tires. In order to have the tread detail on the face of the tires, the traditional means has been to use soft rubber, vinyl or other materials, such as the new soft styrene. But, these always left the modeler with an unsightly seam, which was difficult, if not impossible, to properly remove. DML has cleverly presented each tire as five discs, which the modeler must “laminate” together. Each of the three inner disks has a seam that represents the tread detail, while the two outer disks have the proper side-wall detail. Outstanding! But, don’t get excited, glue them together at first glance and then get them ready for paint. Otherwise they will never fit on the wheel hubs. Carefully study the instructions to see how these parts go together. My suggestion is to cement two disks together (parts G1 and G2) and then cement the remaining three disks together (parts G1, G2 and G3), leaving these as two sub-assemblies. Paint these separately. Then after you paint the hubs, sandwich them in between the two painted disk assemblies, cement, and touch up the paint if needed.

This kit is also loaded with accessories for diorama use. These consist of three wooden ammo boxes, which can be shown opened or closed, and three wicker boxes that can also be shown opened or closed. To these are added turned brass rounds (three of them), six styrene rounds and six spent shell casings. These are all detailed with brass bases featuring tiny data etched into them.

Then there are the figures; six of them. They represent troops wearing the reversible hooded winter parka and trousers. They are very well-molded and feature excellent details. All wear helmets. Three of them are in various poses holding complete rounds. The fourth is depicted sitting, looking through the gun’s sight. The fifth is operating a stereo-optic range finder, while the last one, the gun’s commander is holding a pair of binoculars. They are best suited to a ground action, due to their poses. There are no weapons or equipment included for them; they are not depicted wearing any belts or harnesses to attach such items. Some may find this to be a problem, while others will move on. By adding resin heads with various head-gear, some individuality can be achieved.

The two decal sheets provide for generic as well as specific markings. The first includes divisional insignia for the 1. through 14. Panzer Divisions, tire pressure markings and nice (but useless in the context of this kit) variations of the Balkankreuz national insignia. Instead of the national insignia, it would have been more useful if this kit’s designers had included the “A-B-C-D” markings that the Germans used to distinguish guns within a battery. The second sheet provides markings for the Grossdeutschland Division and a pair of unidentified units, as well as various styles of barrel kill-rings, white fender trim and a ‘”scoreboard” for the gun shield. Lastly, there are decals that taken together will provide the shield with a ready-made camouflage pattern, which looks like mud smeared on a dunkelgrau base color. Whatever scheme is chosen, there will be plenty of spares left for the decal collection. There are painting and finishing instructions for six different guns, with the colors keyed to Gunze and Testors paints.

I test-fitted a number of major and minor assemblies and can say that there should not be any problems. As I did this I noted that DML’s designers engineered the parts so that they could only fit one way. They do this by intelligent placement of tabs and sockets so that it is impossible to misalign anything. This is a nice touch as there are so many parts (which are similar, but not identical) that can be improperly placed by a hasty modeler, regardless of how well he follows the instructions. The modeler will also note that there are a large number of small knock-out pin “nodes” attached to many of the parts. They are a chore to remove and clean up, that’s certain. But, I’d rather have these than knock-out pin marks to clean on the parts themselves. In addition, since artillery kits usually feature a number of in-scale moving parts (this one is no exception), the modeler will be rewarded by carefully cleaning and finishing the parts before paint is applied. For instance, part A14 will need the hole ever-so-slightly slightly enlarged so that the completed gun trunnion assembly, once painted and inserted, will be free enough to rotate easily in azimuth.

What’s it all add up to? Quite simply, an astonishingly well-detailed model of one of the most famous (THE most famous? I suppose so.) pieces of ordnance in history.

Highly recommended.

Reviewer’s note: Since May of 2005, I have been working on books for Concord Publications, a sister company to DML. The reader may wish to take this into consideration. For my part, I will attempt to maintain an objective viewpoint when writing these reviews.

DML kits are available from retail and mail order shops. For details see their web site at: www.dragonmodelsltd.com.
from
http://www.missing-lynx.com/reviews/german...m_fdesisto.html

and Cookie's
http://misc.kitreview.com/armourreviews/dm...0reviewcs_1.htm

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88mm Flak 36
w/Flak Artillery Crew



Dragon/DML, 1/35 scale


S u m m a r y
Stock Number, Media, Contents and Price: Dragon Models Limited 1/35 Scale ‘39-‘45 Series Kit Number 6260; 88mm Flak 36 w/Flak Artillery Crew
Scale: 1/35
Media and Contents: 609 parts (561 in grey styrene, 34 etched brass, 8 turned aluminum, 3 turned brass, 1 length copper chain, 1 length steel chain, 1 length vinyl tubing)
Price: price not known but estimated at US $34-38
Review Type: First Look
Advantages: "In your face" kit of this popular weapon; state-of-the-art molding and research; many useful accessories; decent new "full-size" crew (see text)
Disadvantages: Very complex kit requires very careful study of parts, especially with the components of the Sd.Ahn. 202 gun carriage bogies
Recommendation: Highly Recommended for all German WWII fans as well as all "duck hunters" (Air Defense Artillery)



Reviewed by Cookie Sewell


Sd.Kfz. 251/1 Ausf.D Three in One will be available online from Squadron.com


F i r s t L o o k


There is arguably no other gun on the planet that is as famous – or infamous – as the German 8.8 cm FlaK 36 antiaircraft gun. Legendary as the "Kraut 88" (which nearly every American soldier in Europe or North Africa claims shot at him) this was one of the handiest and most useful weapons in the German arsenal. Designed as an antiaircraft gun, the power to sling a shell up to nearly 25,000 feet (8,000 meters) also enabled it to propel an antitank projectile through nearly any tank built during the Second World War.

The origins of the 88 stem from German joint projects carried out during the 1920s when Germany was proscribed from building armaments. They instead carried out "scientific" projects which saw the development of the 3.7 cm PaK 36 antitank gun with the Soviets and a 7.5 cm AA gun with Bofors of Sweden. This was a purpose-built weapon from Krupps on a cruciform carriage that used single wheel bogies front and rear in march order, and unfolded two legs to the sides when emplaced. The simple yet effective carriage design permitted 360 traverse and elevation up to 85 degrees, both of which permitted the effective tracking and engagement of aircraft of the day. But in 1930 the gun was rejected by the German War Office as it was not sufficient for the needs they saw in the future.

In 1931 Krupps and Bofors returned to the design of an antiaircraft gun, and essentially scaled up their 7.5 cm effort to 8.8 cm. This threw a projectile 43% heavier to a slightly lower altitude (8000 meters vice 9000 for the 7.5 cm) but was more effective due to the larger fragment pattern of the heavier shell. The carriage was more sophisticated with controls and adjustments to level the carriage before firing, and the gun also had a semi-automatic breech with flip-out loading tray. This gun was adopted as the 8.8 cm FlaK 18 soon after the Nazis came to power in 1933. The FlaK 18 was used in Spain with good effect; later it was joined by its replacement on the production lines, the 8.8 cm FlaK 36 which began production in 1936.

The FlaK 36 did not differ greatly from the FlaK 18, and in point of fact many parts were interchangeable. The barrels from the Flak 18 and FlaK 36 were interchangeable (although the latter was of a superior design with replaceable liner). The carriages were slightly different with the FlaK 18's Sd.Anh. 201 using a single front wheel and dual rear wheels, and the FlaK 36's Sd.Anh. 202 using duals front and rear. This provided it a bit better cross-country mobility. Standard tractor for these guns was the Sd.Kfz. 7 8-ton halftrack, configured to carry the crew and a large number of ready rounds in four-round cases.

While the FlaK 18 and FlaK 36 were dual-purpose weapons – fitted with AA and direct fire sights, and occasionally gun shields for crew protection, the FlaK 37 was a more sophisticated version dedicated strictly to antiaircraft tasks. Overall more than 11,000 88s were built between 1933 and 1945.

The 88 came into sharp prominence during the invasion of Russia in 1941 when the Germans found to their horror it was the only gun capable of stopping the Soviet KV-1 and KV-2 heavy tanks, and not always with reliable penetration. New projectiles were fielded, and by the time of the major battles in North Africa the Germans knew the full capabilities of the gun and what it could do to tanks. The gun's ballistics were also used in the creation of the 8.8 cm KwK 56 gun used in the Tiger I tank.

While later guns such as the FlaK 41 were considered the best of the 88mm weapons, the FlaK 36/37 are the ones most people think about when they think 88.

In 1973 Tamiya released a then-stunning kit of the FlaK 36/37 with a full crew and a BMW motorcycle for good measure. For a then pricey cost of $10.98, this was the 1973 Kit of the Year, hands down. But time has rolled on, and this kit is still 1973 vintage and it shows. Details are soft or too thick (such as the gunshield) and the Sd.Anh. 202 bogies are attached with bolts and nuts. To top it off, the crew that seemed so good then now shows up to be a bunch of stocky 5'2" dwarves.

Happily, DML has now released a brand-new ground up kit of the famous 88 and it is stunning to say the least. DML has lately pioneered the way in providing a variety of options, and this kit is no exception. It comes with a total of four gun barrels – two aluminum, two styrene – to provide the options for either a Flak 18 or Flak 36 barreled weapon. The kit can be built with or without gunshield, and that is only the start.

The box is "packed with vitamins" as they used to say – 20 sprues, a cardboard sheet with the decals, etched brass and highlighted parts, and a small case with the turned aluminum and brass parts. These include either aluminum or styrene balance cylinders, both for travel (zero elevation) or operational (high angle elevation) settings. The loading tray, seats, stakes, jack pads, and other elements all provide a choice between march order and combat order display. This is a much more sophisticated kit than the Tamiya one, and the parts are far more accurate in scale and representation of the original parts (I just shot photos last year of the Ordnance Museum's Flak 18 and Flak 36 for a fellow modeler, so am familiar with all of the "bits" on them.)

The kit does not come with vinyl tires but "hard" styrene ones; as they have a "street" pattern to match the originals, each tire consists of two sidewalls and three inner sections with offsets to create tread depth.

The majority of the assembly steps cover the two Sd.Anh. 202 bogies, and there are just enough differences to make life miserable if you mess up. The directions appear clear but you must take your time and pay attention. Also the bogies are attached more like the actual carriage (look Ma, no bolts) so the modeler will have to be patient.

The crew are new and well done in the now traditional DML standard, but are in the winter "snowsuits" which may cause some problems for modelers who want a more generic crew. (For those of you stuck with the Tamiya "dwarves" DML is going to offer this kit separately as No. 6275, but then you are still stuck with the Tamiya gun at the end of the day.)
No crew weapons are provided, but the stereoscopic rangefinder is a six-piece accessory.

The model comes with three turned brass 88 rounds, as well as six full and six empty styrene ones; end caps are all etched bras with headstamp markings on them. A total of eight ammo cases – four wood crates and four wicker cases – are included with the kit.

Finishing directions are provided for a total of six different pieces, covered on two decal sheets: U/I, North Caucasus 1942; "Herman Goering" Division, Sicily 1943; U/I, Stalingrad 1942; 10th Panzer Division, Tunisia 1943; 18th Luftwaffe Flak Regiment, Lybia 1941; and "Grossdeutschland" Division, Eastern Front 1943. The gun shield for the "Herman Goering" gun is provided with decals in the sheets included with the kit.

Overall this kit is a true state-of-the-art piece and one that will be a star in many dioramas – even out of the box it is an impressive model. Now the question I hear most is – "Is DML going to do a new 8-tonner to match it?" Well, that's not my call!

Thanks to Freddie Leung of DML for the review sample.

Cookie Sewell

Thanks to Freddie Leung for the review sample.
Review Text Copyright © 2005 by Cookie Sewell
Page Created 24 April, 2005
Last updated 15 May, 2005

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okay I have a few for you from today
here is an interesting link BTW
http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?foru...geid=1117925489

first a scan of the instruction sheet on the first steps (the red is about the 18, which I'm not doing, I'll wait for the AFV Club one to do that version)


the "B" sprue tree
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here are the metal gun parts-both the 18 and 37 are included!


so here is the barrel parts and their assembly




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the breech parts


doughnut added


halves glued together


parts for the next phase


the breech block is made up of three parts


inplace just to make sure of alighnment


gun cradle parts
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the underside of the cradle- on one side it seems some of the mechanical lines from the machineing are still there?
this kit looks pretty good- amazing quality for the most part- although some of the seam clean up is in difficult places-no biggy if care is taken cleaning them up.
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I'm holding off on this kit for a while... It's really cool and all, but I want to see the AFV Club 88 to see... Hopefully it will have better reviews than their Tiger I Late did....
I know it's off topic, but I can't wait to get that Pz I command tank from DML! ...not to mention the Pv IV E :lol: I want those two more than the FLAK gun :lol:
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As they are really two different guns getting both kits the thing to do.
Here is a link to the sound of an 88 firing
http://genso.9online.fr/sons/flak88.wav

A flak 37 here
http://cybermodeler.com/armor/flak88/flak88.shtml
and a 41
www.luftschutz-bunker.de/ images/flak/flak_88.htm

great shots here
http://walkarounds.airforce.ru/artil...ermany/flak88/

ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER LINKS !
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Great links...thanks.

I can re-start to build my DML's I hold it during not enough info.

Here is link what I found before...

http://petro.i8.com/flak88.html
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Hey thanks for the link! nice big pics!
I was going threw some of my old magazines tonight and this was on the back cover of one of the
a flash from the past!!


this is the front


here the main components of Step 1. are glued together




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