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Old 10-10-2009, 03:28 PM
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DML Sd.Kfz.167 StuG.IV

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It has been a while since I have worked on our vBench for the last time. Hope to be back with some old and new projects. First of all need to finish my Stug III G that I started the Group build with and than along with it a new StG IV project. I just could not stop myself from buying this new DML StuG IV kit as I think it can be a very good base for 1:35 StuG model of the StuG IV that was recovered from Riglewka River and than restored restored in Poznan over last 3 years. I am sure the story of this StuG is well known to many fellow modellers since it was populair subject of discussions at many forums.

This particulair StuG IV is the late version and was in use of 2. Kompanie Panzerjäger-Abteilung Brandenburg /1. Jäger-Rgt. "Brandenburg". It sank when on 18/19 January 1945 ice covering the Riglewka River broke down under its tracks.

As the new DML kit represents Early Version, it will need many alterations and some aftermarket items to convert it to something remaining the original thing.

I do not have my own pictures of this StuG as unfortunately was not able to go to Poznan so far to see it and photograph it, but it was very well photographed and pictures are present at Polish exploration and modelling forums. I'll use some of this pictures from the web to explain changes I'll be making. All pictures will be published here for discussion purposes only and hope pople who made them will not become angry


To start with the lower hull - it is perfect for modelling this particulair StuG IV as it represents Pz.IV Ausf.H lower hull with 4 return rollers. So no changes needed there.

First thing that needs change is boogie mounts as the kit has all 10 hexagonal bolt heads present and the original has this:



So to convert to to the middle version with two bolt heads deleted but holes still remaining I did this:



and a dry fit at the lower hull:



All 8 boogie mounts will be converted like this one.

The front lower hull sides do not fit well but will be no problem to fix it since excellent giude by James can be found at PA. Anyway its strage that this problem appeared as I never had this kind of problems with earlier versions of DML Pz.IVs. Pity as all Pz.IV Ausf.H and Ausf.J kits will have this problem.

Next comes the back plate which needs some alterations. First of all as this StuG has late type vertical exchausts so holes for early exhaust mounts need to get plugged and and same with remaining turret engine exhaust hole cover that was not present on late StuG needs plugging.

The original:



and my version:



I used stretched sprue method to plug holes since its quick, simple and gives very good results. Actually this time used white Evergreen rod softened with Tamiya Thin Cement.

The above picture of the original also shows which type of towing mount was used. Luckily DML kit has all the parts needed to make it:

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The DML kit does not contain the particulair late return rollers:



But handy Tristar Pz.IV suspension and wheel set has the parts that I require:



I'll either try to fix back part of DML kit with front from Tristar or mount whole Tristar wheel. Later will check which option is easier and looks better.

Here is idler wheel mount cover:



and again DML kit has the part required:



The picture that I have found in Przemo thread about StuG IV in 1:25 scale

http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/sh...?t=4202&page=9

shows clearly which of two available engine ventilation parts is the right one. This one:




The other picture in his thread also shows clearly type of the back plate of engine deck.

http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/sh...t=4202&page=10




I just need to delete two bolt heads which were not present at the original StuG. Already did it but after picture was taken.

And here something that will go inside of the lower hull:

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Old 10-10-2009, 04:01 PM
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Last thing for today its tracks and here i sbiggest problem. Maybe not biggest but the one that might cost a lot.

Tracks that this StuG IV had look like this:





Same as the ones used at this late StuG



So chevrons and hollow guide horns. Two aftermarket companies produce this type of tracks:

Modelkasten SK-17
and
Friulmodel ALT-27

but unfortunatelly both have solid guide horns
Because of the design of Modelkasten tracks solution is simple but also expensive. Will think of it later after most of work will be done. Or maybe there is some other set of aftermarket tracks available that has both features chevrons and hollow guide horns???

The StuG IV from the picture above also has the kind of Schutzen that was present on StuG IV from division Brandenburg but was not restored in Poznan. Luckily for my model, Armorscale produces such set of swinging Schutzen.

More to follow soon hopefully.

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Hi !


Looking foward for this build

Wez pod uwage to, że StuG z Riglewki jest hybrydą. Póżna wanna, finalny dach nadbudówki. Dodatkowo ekrany póżnej wersji:



Dowodem na to jest pozostałość po mocowaniu tego typu ekranów:



Czyli takie:



Dodatkowo wspornik systemu napinającego jest inny:



Z wersja z Dragona wspólne jest na pewno to że są 4 rolki. Duzo modyfikacji przed Toba.

Good luck !

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Hi Chris... thanks for sharing...keep it up
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Old 10-11-2009, 11:32 AM
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Marco,
Thank you very much for the interest

Przemek,
Thank you very much for sharing these pictures. I am aware of the fact that many changes are required but I still belive that this kit is a good base for this hybrid StuG IV from Poznan. It also has the proper saukopf without MG hole in it, in case it had it would not be a problem to plug it of course.

I know about the schutzen and Armorscale has this set:

http://www.armorscale.com/products/photo/P35-024/

which is correct for this StuG. Am I right?

As for the laste roof I'll correct the one from the kit by changing layout of loaders door, adding remote MG station and close defense weapon. Of course 5 pilzen plugged with screws will be added and the addon armor in front of commanders cupola will be added ( its not present at Poznan StuG but as weld seam that was originally holding that armor in place is clearly visable at your pictures it must have been there). Hexagonal bolt heads will be added as well around the roof edge. Another option is implementation of the late roof from the old DML StuG III G Late that I have in my spare parts box. I have seen at Polish forums that folks were inserting it with little work into StuG III G Early smart kit and since this part is same in DML StuG III G Smart Kit and DML StuG IV Smart Kit should not be a big problem to insert it. Will think later which one of these is a better solution.


Thank you very much for valuable tip with this iddler wheel mount. Watched many pictures in the web but my eye has not caught it. Thank you Przemek . I'll correct it of course. Should be fairly easy correction as I need to remove top and middle plate there. The other remaining plates will have cutouts done in the back as shown at your picture. If you have another picture that shows the down side of the plate that was bolted to the hull side that would be great. Think that bottom side of that plate might have had a bit different angle from the one in the kit which goes straigt to the end of the hull side. Here is what I mean:



As I have not found any information about the exhaust of this StuG I have a question. Were there exhaust pipes recovered with hull from the river or not? The ones mounted at moment look suspicious to me (not like th eoriginal ones and their mount base lacks something. I am questioning myself if this was the type mounted or this StuG had maybe ealier one piece exhaust? As there are no signs holes for the older type exhaust mount screws on the back plate I am leaning toward the late two pipe vertical type. But the round shape of exhaust supports might be for the ealier, one piece type of exhaust? I am bit confused there.

Another question is if you have picture showing the type of the box that is mounted on the one of the engine deck doors?

Thank you

Chris
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Hi Chris,

nice to see a nice kit from you again...
As I don't have much time today and as Przemo has already pointed out the later idler mount, I want to let you know that the Modelkasten tracks SK-17 are not the same as the Friul ATL-27!
The tracks on the Poznan Stug are the Friul ATL-27 just with hollow guide horns.

Best regards,

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Fine project...Good luck..
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Yes Chris....this is correct. You must use this schurzen

Also remember about Pilzen on the roof. Well...this reference should help You alot.

http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6501

Exhaust pipes were recovered, but in very bad condition. So they made new one, from scratch.

This photo should help



So StuG from Poznan have late exhaust pipes.

Waiting for new updates. And I have one more question...the painting. Do You have any scheme of 2. Kompanie Panzerjäger-Abteilung Brandenburg /1. Jäger-Rgt. "Brandenburg" ?

This "new" scheme on StuG from Poznan is strange to me to be honest.

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T90,
Thank you for dropping by

Notger,
Thank you very much. Good to hear from you mate. I'll have question for you regarding one particulair Pz.IV Ausf.H that I have picture of but will write you an e-mail or PM later.

Regarding StuG and its tracks.
I went through a thread at Polish modelling forum where all kinds of tracks for Pz.IV based vehicles were researched. I based my oppinion about SK-17 and ALT-27 beeing the same at this thread:

http://www.fmr.net.pl/forum/viewtopi...er=asc&start=0

I know its in Polish but they are there as type "Odmiana IV".

Why do you think SK-17 is not ALT-27? They both have 40cm width, 3 antiskid full chevrons and solid guide horns in this case? Something must be escaping my shight


Its the same type of link as the one included in the kit as "Magic Track".
Unfortunatelly all of them have solid guide horn not hollow as the one I need.

Regarding that box on engine dek doors. Is this the one:



Przemek,
Upsss... I missed somehow that you have alreday shared your pictures at PA. Thank you very much for the reference
Also find this scheme that its beeing painted at the mom very strange. Will have to research it more. For sure three coloyr scheme as remains of all three colours were present at the picture of the idler wheel which I have shown above when talking about tracks. But if there were thin lines of brown and green or wide blotches of camo colours I have to research. At the mom I think it was this second option.

Chris
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